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Oh, for crying out loud, people.

Did you catch the name of the books? Harry Potter and the ____?

Yeah, that's right.

Sadly, that means that there's no time to worship and mourn Snape, Severus-fans. There's no chance to see Tonks and Lupin die, R/T shippers. There's no way to watch Ginny do anything exciting, Ginny-lovers/haters/shippers/etc.

Yeah, I felt a little robbed too. I wanted to see Ginny kick ass. I wanted more on Snape. I was very upset to see Tonks and Lupin both go.

BUT IT'S A HARRY POTTER BOOK. IF HARRY WASN'T THERE, THEN WE DON'T GET TO SEE IT.

If I see one more post about "JKR totally disrespected us Snape fans the way she had him die" or "What did JKR think she was doing, killing off Tonks and Lupin" or "How dare JKR kill off one of the twins", I think I'm going to scream.

JKR is writing books about HARRY POTTER. Yes, one of the strengths of her series would be the wonderful characters she creates. Yes, I felt robbed. Yes, I agree - somewhat.

But you're not entitled to a weepy funeral for Severus/Fred/whomever. So please, stop acting like they are. Because the books aren't about those other characters.

SHEESH.

I seriously, honestly, truly think that the HP fandom as a whole has ruined this book for itself.

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Awwwww. But I'm only mad cause the hero's "love interest" didn't get screen time and she should have. ;) Plus you know the whole horrid romance thing. Which isn't really this at all, is it?

I think we ruined the book by reading fanfiction that was better/what we wanted/going our way and thinking that the book was going to be like that.

Oh, no, I agree with you - I WANTED MORE GINNY.

I am mostly sick of seeing little fanbrats going all "JKR OWED ME X AND Y BECAUSE I AM IN FANDOM". No, she didn't, STFU. ;) I was reading this horrible HP site and I have now closed the window and taken a deep breath.

I think it's also that fanfiction could be romance -- whereas the Harry Potter books weren't really built to carry a real romance. Note that JKR skips all the "good stuff" between Harry/Ginny. It is a kid's book after all.

I also think you're right though. HP fandom is so huge that you can usually find whatever you want. Snape a hero? There's 978236478 of those. Snape a villain? Yeah, there's 723676 of those too. XD Frankly, we're spoiled.

Agreed. There is so much GOOD FIC out there, that everyone starts to elevate the actual books onto the level of the fic.

But, seriously, wanky HP fandom makes me freaking FURIOUS. It's like, "OH GOD SHUT UP FOR FIVE MINUTES THANKS."

I finally figured out why I disliked the ending so much. Throughout the entire story she'd made a point of Harry, because he didn't have his own biological family, forging a family out of his friends around him. The theme throughout the series was love, but never romantic love- always friendly or family love. Lily's love saved him, but that was family love. Dumbledore watched over him, but that was family love too. And I think the point was that these types of love are more binding and real, and it was disappointing to see her slip in romantic love just at the end there when it didn't feel relevant.

THEY'RE SUCH ENTITLEMENT WHORES!!!

I agree. And I kind of saw the epilogue in that way as right, yes, Harry's creating his own family, finally, and having a crapton of kids (orphans included) that he can share that love with. He's making that familial love real.

Then I get MORE pissed because if that's the case then Ginny is just Harry's gateway to familial love. Talk about a castaway.

I don't know. I had to rethink my opinion after talking to my mum and brother - both of which are just as into HP as I am if not more but have never been into fandom. They both loved the epilogue and thought it felt "right".

I think the people who disliked the ending were those who had really done a lot with HP and read a lot of essays and had found all the little things JKR worked into the books that never came through in the end– and I think it was because we realized that Ginny and Harry weren't good together, or that Harry was simply reaching out for something familiar rather than someone he truly loved.

Plus, I'm sorry, but it's way effing creepy that he named his kids after his parents like that. Ew.

See, my mum was like "You can tell all through book 7 how much Harry loved Ginny, he's always thinking about her, even when he's about to die." It made me go back and think about it again. I mean, do I think it was a well-done romance? In many ways, no. But HP isn't a romantic series, it's an action/adventure, and in the end I kind of feel bad for expecting a true romantic progression from Harry/Ginny in the midst of all the other things Harry has to worry about.

I was also kind of upset that all the things she's been hinting about in interviews didn't make it in. Maybe there will be an appendix? XD

Oh and yeah the kids' names were weird. I totally did a double-take because I honestly was reading it as James and Lily, like as in his parents, and I was like WTF DID HARRY DIE AGAIN!!

I was like CREEPIER THAN SHIT WTF YOUR PARENTS ARE RUNNING AROUND YOUR HOUSE. As if it isn't weird enough that he married someone who looked just like his mother.

See, I thought honestly that Harry's constant thoughts about Ginny were the same when compared to his thoughts about Cho– and we all saw how well that worked out.

LOL. but Cho was a nutcase. HarryCho shippers are on crack. :P

/zing!

LoL I know but he basically did the same thing with both of them, so what makes Ginny any different?

Also, my sisters aren't in the HP fandom at all and they both hated the epilogue too, so it might not just be people in fandom that hated it. They called it "campy" and "contrived"- so there's that I guess. =)

Also did you read JKR sort of dissing the fans while defending the epilogue? I think the fandom might go nuts over it like it did when the H/Hr shippers got called delusional and went batshit crazy.

No, I didn't! LINK PLZ. XD I like seeing JKR vs THE FANS. It's hilarious.

It's like that one scene was JUST in there to be like "No, no, Harry/Hermione is a load of crap, now shut up, you."

I DONT HAVE A LINK crap it was in someone else's journal and I don't remember where I found it but it should be on like cnn or something

You might appreciate this. Go to the next couple comics after it too.

I'd say something, but I'm not a fan. At all, really. I stopped reading at Book 5 and wanted my time back. XD

~Cendri

Sweet I'll just go poke around for it. I mean shit I've been looking at Harry Potter all day instead of working anyway, haha.

You stopped at a bad point, because Book 5 blew ass basically. Should've either quit at 4 or at least gone the whole way through and gotten some redeeming shit out of it. ;)

Also those comics are much too true. >.> HP fen are scarier than FFVII fen.

Eh, I read them all at once, because it took me like a weekend to read through them because they are super easy reads. I should have stopped at 4. This fits in with my theory that any series over four books is going to disappoint me. That, and I expect Lewis or Pullman or Lowry out of child fiction and have too high of expectations anyway. It's like when I thought about joining a newspaper and they kept telling me to dumb down my stuff... I forget that the average person in the US has the reading comprehension of a 13 year old.

Not saying you do. XD I mean, you actually finished college. You're ahead of the game.

And FFVII fen have at least a reason to be a little pissed sometimes. It's called retcon. Which is kind of sleazy, imo.

~Cendri

Yes, but then you want to smash both the book and your head against a concrete wall when you don't like the title character! I have honestly never read a book or played a game where the main character was one of my favorites - it's always supporting cast.

Of course, that's why I read fanfic. Because if I wanted to, I could read a fic where Sirius lives, Harry dies in the final battle and Sirius and Lupin snog on top of his grave. Which I wouldn't, but if I wanted to...

It was one of those things where if you've invested that much time in something, you have to know how it ends. Where by "you" I mean "me". It's why I'm bad with TV because no matter how crappy a show is, if I've started watching it, I want to finish watching it.

And, oh, yes. I consider FFVII-OGC fans to be the real fans, and basically everyone else to be batshit. SO SUE ME.

I know, and I don't think JKR quite realized how much we like her minor characters -- she seems almost surprised by the backlash she's gotten.

XD

I used to be like that. Then I ran into Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. And that habit was broken (why oh why did that show suck SO BAD? At least, to me. >.>). Now I have the willpower to stop in the middle of a book. INTENSE.

Understandable. XD Same general feeling. I like bits and pieces, but that's about it. And the pretties.

~Cendri

Many authors write about their pet characters and forget they are not *our* favorite characters as well! I've heard some authors talk about it.

It's a good point. I guess it's good that we have fandom, in a way. XD

I am just sick of hearing young fanbrats who think that JKR "owes them" because they are "in fandom". No, she does not owe you Harry/Draco buttsex. Really. She doesn't. ;)

I'm not in HP fandom, but yeah, I understand the sentiment. I mean, if you didn't love it in the first place, why are you in the fandom? If you got hooked on it when there wasn't Harry/Draco, why do you feel bitter if it isn't?

WHAT DOES THAT MAKE ME I like AC way better than VII :( Mostly cause Reno and Rude are so many kinds of awesome. but i always hated vii from the VERY BEGINNING, yo, I'm fucking OLD SCHOOL.

OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT A REAL FF FAN. Y'KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'VE ONLY PLAYED LIKE 27346823764 FINAL FANTASY GAMES.

At least you're PLAYED the original. Anyone who hasn't should just stay out of fandom! OR start their own fandom. ;)

WEll according to anyone ever who discovered the series after 1997 I am NOT a real FF fan because I can't stand the regurgitated pointless SHIT that is FF7.

WELL WHAT THE FUCK. OBVIOUSLY CLOUD IS THE HOTTEST FF CHARACTER EVAR. YOU ARE ON CRACK. ;)

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